Our Rough Draft
Around the microphone.
We're still figuring it out, too.
Most of our conversations start the same way they do in real life—with something ordinary.
A trip.
A memory.
A holiday.
A question one of us can't quite let go.
Somewhere along the way, they usually become about something much bigger.
Over the years, we've discovered that people don't always need the newest conversation—they need the right conversation. So we've gathered our episodes of Our Rough Draft around the topics that seem to find all of us eventually.
You can certainly start from the beginning and follow the story as it unfolds. Or, if today you need a conversation about marriage, family, belonging, work, travel, or simply finding your footing again. . .
we've got you.
Already have a favorite place to listen? You'll find us there, too.
What’s on your mind today?
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Home is more than a place—it's where we learn we belong.
Whether you're settling into a new place, creating new traditions, or simply longing to feel more at home, these conversations explore the people, places, and rhythms that help us find our footing.
Start here:
Explore the Home & Belonging collection.
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We're all growing & changing.
Whether you're beginning something new, letting go of an old dream, or discovering who you're becoming, these conversations remind us that growth is rarely linear—and we're all still learning along the way.
Start here:
Explore the Becoming collection.
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Every relationship is built one ordinary conversation at a time.
Whether you're celebrating, struggling, or simply growing together, these conversations invite you to keep choosing each other through every season.
Start here:
Explore the Marriage & Relationships collection.
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Families are shaped one story, one tradition, and one conversation at a time.
Whether you're raising children, honoring traditions, or redefining what family looks like in this season, these conversations invite you to build a culture where people feel known, valued, and like they truly belong.
Start here:
Explore the Family & Culture collection.
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Every meaningful conversation begins with curiosity.
Whether you're trying to listen more deeply, ask better questions, or navigate difficult conversations with grace, these conversations invite you to replace certainty with curiosity and connection.
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Explore the Better Conversations collection.
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The best adventures don't just change our plans—they change us.
Whether you're planning your next trip or simply looking for more wonder in everyday life, these conversations celebrate curiosity, shared adventures, and the experiences that become part of our story.
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Explore the Joy & Adventure collection.
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Meaningful work changes us long before it changes the world.
Whether you're leading a team, changing careers, creating something new, or wondering what's next, these conversations explore meaningful work, courageous leadership, and the people who help us become our best selves.
Start here:
Explore the Work & Purpose collection.
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Service asks us to become part of something bigger than ourselves.
Whether you've served yourself or simply want to better understand the people who have, these conversations explore leadership, sacrifice, purpose, and what it means to live a life of service.
Start here:
Explore the Service collection.
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Every season of life has something to teach us.
Whether you're navigating change, carrying something heavy, or simply trying to find your footing, these conversations remind us that none of us has it all figured out—and that's okay.
Start here:
Explore the Life Right Now collection.
Put Yourself Out There
In this episode, Denise and Tim talk about networking, lived experience, and what it means to put yourself out into the world without turning every connection into a transaction. They reflect on facilitation, veterans’ work, writing communities, doctoral research, AI in education, feedback, and the people who help us notice when we are pushing against a wall instead of walking through an open door.
The List Versus the Plan
Denise and Tim reflect on a recent trip to Seattle, the places we forget to revisit, and how making a list instead of a plan can help us keep our worlds open.
What Are You Still Working On?
As Denise and Tim begin year two of Our Rough Draft, they return to the reason the podcast has always carried that name: none of us are finished yet.
In this conversation, they talk about confidence, belonging, work, aging, parenting adult children, marketing your own voice, and what it means to keep becoming without trying to prove your worth. Along the way, they ask a simple but honest question: what are you still working on?
What makes a memory worth keeping?
Denise and Tim celebrate Tim’s 55th birthday and reflect on birthdays, memory, family stories, and the ordinary moments worth preserving. This conversation is an invitation to mark time with more intention and make room for the memories you want to keep.
We Don’t Check Grades
Denise and Tim talk about school, grades, curriculum night, parent-teacher relationships, and what it means to trust kids and educators as a new school year begins.