Our Rough Draft
Around the microphone.
We're still figuring it out, too.
Most of our conversations start the same way they do in real life—with something ordinary.
A trip.
A memory.
A holiday.
A question one of us can't quite let go.
Somewhere along the way, they usually become about something much bigger.
Over the years, we've discovered that people don't always need the newest conversation—they need the right conversation. So we've gathered our episodes of Our Rough Draft around the topics that seem to find all of us eventually.
You can certainly start from the beginning and follow the story as it unfolds. Or, if today you need a conversation about marriage, family, belonging, work, travel, or simply finding your footing again. . .
we've got you.
Already have a favorite place to listen? You'll find us there, too.
What’s on your mind today?
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Every relationship is built one ordinary conversation at a time.
Whether you're celebrating, struggling, or simply growing together, these conversations invite you to keep choosing each other through every season.
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Families are shaped one story, one tradition, and one conversation at a time.
Whether you're raising children, honoring traditions, or redefining what family looks like in this season, these conversations invite you to build a culture where people feel known, valued, and like they truly belong.
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Home is more than a place—it's where we learn we belong.
Whether you're settling into a new place, creating new traditions, or simply longing to feel more at home, these conversations explore the people, places, and rhythms that help us find our footing.
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Every meaningful conversation begins with curiosity.
Whether you're trying to listen more deeply, ask better questions, or navigate difficult conversations with grace, these conversations invite you to replace certainty with curiosity and connection.
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Meaningful work changes us long before it changes the world.
Whether you're leading a team, changing careers, creating something new, or wondering what's next, these conversations explore meaningful work, courageous leadership, and the people who help us become our best selves.
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Service asks us to become part of something bigger than ourselves.
Whether you've served yourself or simply want to better understand the people who have, these conversations explore leadership, sacrifice, purpose, and what it means to live a life of service.
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The best adventures don't just change our plans—they change us.
Whether you're planning your next trip or simply looking for more wonder in everyday life, these conversations celebrate curiosity, shared adventures, and the experiences that become part of our story.
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We're all still becoming.
Whether you're beginning something new, letting go of an old dream, or discovering who you're becoming, these conversations remind us that growth is rarely linear—and we're all still learning along the way.
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Every season of life has something to teach us.
Whether you're navigating change, carrying something heavy, or simply trying to find your footing, these conversations remind us that none of us has it all figured out—and that's okay.
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When Work Breaks Your Heart
Sometimes the hardest part of work isn't the work itself. Denise and Tim reflect on burnout, difficult leadership, military transition, and the workplaces that shaped not only their careers, but their understanding of what it means to care for people well.
The People Who Changed Our Lives
Sometimes the most important thing about a job isn't the work—it's the people who believe in you. Denise and Tim reflect on the mentors, leaders, and coworkers who helped shape the people they've become.
The Way We Are Wired
Why do two people experience the same moment so differently? Denise and Tim explore the personalities, perspectives, and quirks that make them different—and how those differences have strengthened their marriage over time.
Travel Changes You
What happens after the trip is over? Fresh home from Italy, Denise and Tim reflect on the moments that changed them most and why the best souvenirs aren't things we bring home—they're new ways of seeing the world.
The Places That Change Us
The places we visit become more than destinations. They become part of our story, shaping our perspective, strengthening our relationships, and reminding us who we're becoming together.