Tim & Denise laughing

Our Rough Draft

Around the microphone.

We're still figuring it out, too.

Most of our conversations start the same way they do in real life—with something ordinary.

A trip.

A memory.

A holiday.

A question one of us can't quite let go.

Somewhere along the way, they usually become about something much bigger.

Over the years, we've discovered that people don't always need the newest conversation—they need the right conversation. So we've gathered our episodes of Our Rough Draft around the topics that seem to find all of us eventually.

You can certainly start from the beginning and follow the story as it unfolds. Or, if today you need a conversation about marriage, family, belonging, work, travel, or simply finding your footing again. . .

we've got you.

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Travel Changes You
Joy & Adventure Denise Leigh Waters Joy & Adventure Denise Leigh Waters

Travel Changes You

What happens after the trip is over? Fresh home from Italy, Denise and Tim reflect on the moments that changed them most and why the best souvenirs aren't things we bring home—they're new ways of seeing the world.

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Raising Brothers
Family & Culture Denise Leigh Waters Family & Culture Denise Leigh Waters

Raising Brothers

Parenting changes, but it never really ends. Denise and Tim reflect on raising three boys and the intentional choices that helped them become not just independent adults, but brothers who genuinely enjoy one another.

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