Our Rough Draft
Around the microphone.
We're still figuring it out, too.
Most of our conversations start the same way they do in real life—with something ordinary.
A trip.
A memory.
A holiday.
A question one of us can't quite let go.
Somewhere along the way, they usually become about something much bigger.
Over the years, we've discovered that people don't always need the newest conversation—they need the right conversation. So we've gathered our episodes of Our Rough Draft around the topics that seem to find all of us eventually.
You can certainly start from the beginning and follow the story as it unfolds. Or, if today you need a conversation about marriage, family, belonging, work, travel, or simply finding your footing again. . .
we've got you.
Already have a favorite place to listen? You'll find us there, too.
What’s on your mind today?
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Home is more than a place—it's where we learn we belong.
Whether you're settling into a new place, creating new traditions, or simply longing to feel more at home, these conversations explore the people, places, and rhythms that help us find our footing.
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Explore the Home & Belonging collection.
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We're all growing & changing.
Whether you're beginning something new, letting go of an old dream, or discovering who you're becoming, these conversations remind us that growth is rarely linear—and we're all still learning along the way.
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Explore the Becoming collection.
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Every relationship is built one ordinary conversation at a time.
Whether you're celebrating, struggling, or simply growing together, these conversations invite you to keep choosing each other through every season.
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Explore the Marriage & Relationships collection.
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Families are shaped one story, one tradition, and one conversation at a time.
Whether you're raising children, honoring traditions, or redefining what family looks like in this season, these conversations invite you to build a culture where people feel known, valued, and like they truly belong.
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Explore the Family & Culture collection.
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Every meaningful conversation begins with curiosity.
Whether you're trying to listen more deeply, ask better questions, or navigate difficult conversations with grace, these conversations invite you to replace certainty with curiosity and connection.
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Explore the Better Conversations collection.
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The best adventures don't just change our plans—they change us.
Whether you're planning your next trip or simply looking for more wonder in everyday life, these conversations celebrate curiosity, shared adventures, and the experiences that become part of our story.
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Explore the Joy & Adventure collection.
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Meaningful work changes us long before it changes the world.
Whether you're leading a team, changing careers, creating something new, or wondering what's next, these conversations explore meaningful work, courageous leadership, and the people who help us become our best selves.
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Explore the Work & Purpose collection.
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Service asks us to become part of something bigger than ourselves.
Whether you've served yourself or simply want to better understand the people who have, these conversations explore leadership, sacrifice, purpose, and what it means to live a life of service.
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Explore the Service collection.
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Every season of life has something to teach us.
Whether you're navigating change, carrying something heavy, or simply trying to find your footing, these conversations remind us that none of us has it all figured out—and that's okay.
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Explore the Life Right Now collection.
Who Helps Carry the Pumpkins
“There weren’t any wheelbarrows. I had two little boys, two giant pumpkins, and no way to get everything back to the wagon. I remember looking around and realizing, ‘I’m stuck. Can you help me?’ I wasn’t raised to think of asking strangers for help as normal. But that was the lesson: think the project all the way through—and recognize that it really is okay to ask for help.”
Should Leaders Always Eat Last?
“A leader needs to know what their team needs from them in any given moment. Sometimes they need you to eat last. Sometimes they need you to take care of yourself. Sometimes they need you to do the work that only you can do. Leadership isn’t taking one model wholesale and applying it to every person and every situation. These are tools—and you have to know which tool the moment requires.”
The Courage to Be Read
What would it take to put your story into the world? Fresh home from a writers' retreat, Denise and Tim reflect on creativity, career transitions, and the courage to share work that matters—even when perfection is impossible.
When Work Breaks Your Heart
Sometimes the hardest part of work isn't the work itself. Denise and Tim reflect on burnout, difficult leadership, military transition, and the workplaces that shaped not only their careers, but their understanding of what it means to care for people well.